Americablog: We're all concern trolls now

One of the most over the top pro Obama sites from February forward was Americablog.  At times, the front page authors' critiques of Hillary would devolve to the juvenilia of name calling and school yard taunts (i,.e., "tell this horrible woman to go away!")

Now, look at today's joint front page post - -

http://www.americablog.com/2008/08/lack- of-any-consistent-lines-of-attack.html#d isqus_thread

High (or low) lights:

"There is an incredible discontent out there with the way this campaign is being run. The fact that the discontent isn't being recognized, isn't being assuaged, is disturbing. People aren't worried about the election, they're becoming despondent about it. They're not motivated to work twice as hard, they instead feel as if they've had the wind knocked out of them. This is far beyond a healthy skepticism as to whether Obama can win."

"Just to be clear, this isn't the kind of post we want to be writing right now. We'd much rather be beating the crap out of John McCain's hypocrisy and rebutting the Karl Rove attacks on Obama. Anyone who read this blog during the primaries knows how strongly we felt about nominating Obama. Our commitment can't be questioned. We really, really, really want a Democratic president. But, we're not getting much to work with from the Obama campaign, hence this post. As John wrote, this feeling is pervasive. For some reason, Obama's top advisers seem to be living in their own bubble and this campaign, which we all thought would be different, is starting to feel like Democratic campaigns of the past."

My first reaction - - NOW you morons come to this realization?  When we tried to tell you . . .

My second rection - - Are you're truly surprised that a campaign shepharded by Tom Daschle and the Kennedy machine (the folks who gave us Presidents Teddy, Dukakis and Kerry) "is starting to feel like [losing] Democratic campaigns of the past"?  Didn't you consciously and intentionally reject the only winning Democratic team in the past 30 years?

And my third and final reaction (after getting rid of the last post primary vitriol) - - I hope the amen chorus that applauds whatever the campaign does and says will start to LISTEN and CONSIDER valuable critique from what should be part of their fired up base.  The damn thing is tied.  "We dont need you" and "go away" are no longer viable options (if they ever were).



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Yes, you are... (none / 0)

CONCERN trolls, that is.  Get a grip.  You know nothing compared to this Obama team.  But, by all means, keep whining ....


by ttjackson on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:28:23 AM EST

An axe to grind (none / 0)

Check the username. The poster is anger personified at... Markos Moulitsas??? What did he ever do?


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by iohs2008 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:05:12 AM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

I just gotta ask, are there as many people trolling right wing blogs?

seriously who sits around all day saying, you know I am going to concern troll on a blog where I won't change a single person's mind as they have been set for months?  how is this fun?

seriously who is switching their votes based on concern trolling? otherwise why do they do it?

I just don't understand concern trolls at all I really don't.

Obama isn't out playing for the media, he is playing for votes, when he releases attack ads, he does it state specific and he doesn't even tell the media.

Obama is very much fighting for the battle states, just unlike McCain and Hillary before him, he is not fighting to win daily news battles.

but you are right Obama's tactics failed him in the primary what the hell is his campaign doing thinking they know how to wage a campaign.

They should take their lead from Hillary and her campaign, they know how to win.


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by TruthMatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:30:27 AM EST

Likely not (none / 0)

I just gotta ask, are there as many people trolling right wing blogs?

My impression from the times I've tried to get access to right wing blogs is that they control their content far more tightly than left wingers.  You get banned from those places if you don't promote even the most ridiculous of lies about Obama and other Democrats.


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by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:05:09 AM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (2.00 / 2)

I don't get your post.

Do you think that people who enjoy talking about politics, who are interested in the race, who are concerned about whether a Democrat or a Republicans wins, shouldn't be allowed to talk about the state of the Presidential race on a blog that is devoted to politics?

Is that your position?  You want to cut out all the "inside baseball" politics talk and just do rah rah?  Is that it?

Do you really think that people post here or other places only to try and shape voter opinion?

Get real.  Not one post here us going to win a candidate a vote anywhere.  But I don't think that is why 99% of here post here anyway.


by RichardFlatts on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:15:18 AM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

the only way you couldn't understand my post is if you don't understand the term "concern troll"

if you think they are here to just talk politics, then maybe you don't.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:17:57 AM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (2.00 / 1)

Why don't you do us all a big favor an define "concern troll" for us. It seems to be the definition changes depending on the topic.
by zenful6219 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:25:03 AM EST
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The problem I see (2.00 / 1)

Is that terms like "concern troll" get thrown around waaaay to easily by some people.

It isn't like there is a some underground current on the blogs that is solely responsible for making up this idea that Obama is going through a bit of a rough patch right now.   I mean this is out there, the media is covering it, like it or not, agree with it or not.

What is the term for someone on a blog that closes their eyes, covers their ears, and yells, "lalalalalalalalalalala", whenever someone touches on a subject they don't like (and then proceeds to call the person who raised the subject a "concern troll").

Maybe it is just possible that some people really want to see Obama win and are concerned right now, and simply want to talk about it.


by RichardFlatts on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:29:53 AM EST
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I think the term is (2.00 / 1)

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by nrafter530 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:07:47 AM EST
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Re: The problem I see (none / 0)

purity troll, or blind cheerleader


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:29:51 AM EST
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Re: The problem I see (none / 0)

Maybe "ostrich troll"?


by zenful6219 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:43:11 AM EST
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Exactly, Richard !!!! (2.00 / 1)

I'm here to discuss politics and policy and political personalities from a progressive prospective NOT to mindlessly cheerlead for any particular progressive candidate(s) (although they are who I will ultimately vote for).
There's a difference.
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:49:36 AM EST
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Re: Exactly, Richard !!!! (none / 0)

Calling someone a troll on many sites is a way of telling that person to shut up and go away, a way to avoid answering what is on that person's mind. Or silencing opinions contrary to the name caller's own views which the name caller is not prepared in fact to address. Lotta that going around now, concern trolls, purity trolls, chaos trolls, seagulls, ostriches, etc. Before the troll category broadened, such folk would say that the objected to poster was drinking the kool aid or something of the same ilk that was intended to ignore the comment and personally insult the commenter without violating the personal attack rules of a site.


by Christy1947 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:50:06 PM EST
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did you put this post in a blender? (none / 0)

digya blend it up first with some ice and then paste it on to the screen?

My Magic-8-Ball is more coherent.


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by Al Rodgers on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:33:26 AM EST

Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

Oh my God, John Aravosis is in a tizzy ... let's dump Obama for Hillary.  Yeah, that will solve everything.

My friend, campaigns are tough long slogs, lots of ups and downs.  There's a lot about Obama's approach that can be second guessed, I think he should be more aggressive in defining McCain, but you can't say "I told you so" based on August polling.  For one, it's impossible to know where HRC would stand at this moment if she had won.

Personally, I voted for and supported Obama because I thought then and still believe now that he'd make a better President than Hillary Clinton.  It's just my opinion ... I'm sure you disagree.  I never thought it would be easy.  


by Dan Conley on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:38:44 AM EST

Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

Those who are still thinking that Obama might not be the nominee will have to get realistic after the convention and will have to decide if it's worth it to the country to vote so as to teach Howard Dean the lesson they think he and the DNC needs.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:48:04 AM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

Yes, from polling it seems like Obama is having problems uniting his party. Democrats are still expecting those foot rubs and they won't vote for him until they get them, damnit!

I'm not starting to worry until after the Conventions. We do have problems on our side but we also have tons of video of McCain with foot-in-mouth. It makes it a lot easier to define the other guy using his own words. Plus, McCain surrogates have continuous problems on t.v. naming his accomplishments or the vision he wants to take this country.

He has no vision laid out for change. He has just finished a blitz of negative ads that have succeeded in casting doubt about Obama, but people  will start to remember John McCain is a Republican at the Convention. He is announcing his VP on the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. More cake all around, anyone.


by Lolis on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:19:46 AM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

huh, you shouldn't talk about Markos that way ;p


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:32:21 AM EST
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Obama is the nominee (none / 0)

Many of us wish he just start kicking some ass.

I am hoping that after the convention we will finally see a central theme or vision for the campaign, and a more concise line of attack on McCain that can be repeated over and over so as to gain traction.

I agree with those who say that this election is about Obama, so I wish he'd create a stirring vision for his campaign, stick to it, and win on the strength of his money and charisma, while his VP and surrogates deliver a well thought out narrative that paints McCain as unacceptable to lead.  

Currently, Obama is getting caught up in the day to day back and forth tit-for-tat BS with McCain.


by RichardFlatts on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:20:44 AM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

I wonder if you're going to be this tiresome after Obama gets elected.


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by X Stryker on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:40:43 AM EST

Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

Just look at the realclearpolitics poll averages. There's basically no change since Obama clinched the nomination - just a series of ups and downs leaving everyone in the same place pretty much.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:45:39 AM EST

Re: Cutters (2.00 / 1)

I have decided to think of Concern Trolls as 'Cutters'. People who have a compulsive need to hurt themselves for reasons which are completely inscrutable to the rest of us. I can't stop them, but I can't entirely ignore them either. I'm afraid they might think my interest in their behavior somehow indicates a shared interest what motivates such odd activity, but they'd be mistaken. It's more akin stopping briefly to look up at a jumper on the roof.

I hope they come down, or a fireman grabs them... but I can't waste a lot of time, because I have stuff to do.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:09:07 AM EST

Re: Cutters (none / 0)

WTF?


by RichardFlatts on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:21:52 AM EST
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Re: WTF (none / 0)

Precisely. But at some point, even the curiosity wanes.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:40:17 AM EST
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Ameriblog was pro who? (none / 0)

They were very hard on the Clinton campaign, but I believe that was because they wanted to win.

This diary just seems to be more PUMA talking points.

SHE LOST AND RAN A LOUSY CAMPAIGN. HER CAMPAIGN WAS A REFLECTION OF HER LEADERSHIP. STOP SWIMMING IN DENILE!


by IowaMike on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:25:50 AM EST

Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (none / 0)

Ah, the first "plop" of kosnomore's morning bowel movement.  One more to go, folks.


I am not a crook!
by username on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:56:16 AM EST

Stay classy !!!! (2.00 / 1)

That's such a fine reflection on you, this site and your candidate.


John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:52:09 AM EST
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Re: Stay classy !!!! (2.00 / 1)

 After the 'plop' comment, I'm reconsidering my vote - as it reflects very badly on Obama. A large part of my decision tree is based on how relatively classy the bloggers who support different candidates are. One more 'plop' might tip the scales.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 12:20:06 PM EST
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Re: Americablog: We're all concern trolls now (2.00 / 1)

There is concern because there ought to be concern, given Obama's performance relative to the political environment, his campaign's unwillingness to really go negative, and the fact that his key campaign staff has never run a general election before.

Unfortunately, this is complicated by the legacy of the primary campaign and the desire of HRC supporters, of which I was one, to engage in unproductive "I told you so" bickering (I am prone to this myself, and I don't like it and realize how dumb it is).

So, here is what I propose:

1. Obama primary supporters - Get your heads out of the sand and admit that Obama is not performing that well, retire the phrase "concern troll," and focus on working twice as hard because this race will be a dogfight.

2. HRC primary supporters - Get behind Obama and next time that the "I told you so" impulse strikes, just stfu.


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by Fuzzy Dunlop on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:10:00 AM EST

I couldn't agree more - - (2.00 / 1)

and I will fight my "I told you so" tendencies if some of the big time Obama folk start admitting where we need improvement / being open to friendly criticism.
 
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:54:26 AM EST
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Re: I couldn't agree more - - (none / 0)

But first they've got to beg.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 07:46:14 AM EST
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