Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be

Aside from the to and fro of Obama's VP pick.  And aside from simmering questions about cones and crosses.  There is a palpable sense of discord in the left-wing blathersphere because Obama's polling numbers seem to be tanking a bit from their stratospheric heights of yestermonth.

I look at www.fivethirtyeight.com quite regularly and even understand some of what is said there.  That site has become, I believe, the gold standard of election forecasting.  Their model has Obama maintaining a slim, although eroding, lead in the polls with overall a 56 % shot at winning.  Beyond that particular site, others have recently noted the erosion in Obama's lead.  Particularly TPM and several bloggers on this site.  However, I believe that the numbers as they look now are not only realistic, but demonstrate the best way for Obama to win in November and offer the Democrats the building blocks for long-term political ascendancy.

Early this summer, Obama appeared to be doing quite well in rather surprising places - Alaska, Virginia, Montana, Indiana, and maybe North Carolina.  In addition he seemed to be holding commanding leads in places like Ohio, Michigan, and the rest of the Upper Midwest.  If these numbers held, Obama would seem to have been on track for a Reagan-esque landslide.  However, these numbers have eased back to our 2000-2004 sense of the probable.  If Obama wins, it will most likely be by less than 10 electoral votes and it'll be by sweeping a series of small states rather than blitzing McCain on all fronts.

Ohio was always going to be an uphill battle for Obama.  His, uh, characteristics aren't necessarily welcome there.  The Deomcratic base is concentrated in urban centers suffering from decades of economic plight, and the mess left by Kenneth Blackwell and now the indicted Democratic Attorney General of Ohio do not seem conducive to a large inner-city turnout in Ohio.

Virginia, I think, is actually more realistic.  The explosive growth of the Northern Virginia area has opened many people's eyes to the need for a functioning government.  Even the staunchly conservative Loudon (sp?) county elected a Slow-Growth county board a few years back.  Plus the influx of urban types into outer-ring DC suburbs dilutes the old-school mentality in other parts of the state.  Nevertheless, I don't see VA turning blue this year.

Obama's strength, then, lies in consolidation and expansion to relative nickel-and-dime states.  New Hampshire, seems ready to elect Obama.  Iowa, the marginally Upper Midwestern state of congeniality, also seems to be on board.  The trick, then is to take two of three growing western states, NM, CO, or NV.  Of these, Obama seems to be doing best in NM and CO.  

The thing to note about this strategy is first that it is geographically broad.  This presents Democrats with an opportunity to capitalize on long-term trends in broadening their base of support past the 2000 and 2004 models.  It may well be that if Obama wins this year, and if he would have a reasonably competent Presidency, that Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, and maybe even North Carolina would be back on the table.  And second point about this strategy is that it has mutiple ifs and weaknesses.

A state-stealing VP pick could bring the whole thing down in shambles.  Romney (MI), Pawlenty (MN), Ridge (PA), or maybe an outside pick like Wayne Allard (CO) could make this election night another long one.  I have trouble seeing the VP pick really changing the playing field all that much.  But if Obama doesn't win MN, it's going to be a long time until another African American has this good of a shot at the Presidency.  Same with any of the other states listed above.

So, just to reiterate.  I think the way the polls look now, barring any unforeseen circumstances - something BIG - are about the map we'll have to work with in November.  The short message is - hurry and move to IA, NH, CO, or NM and register to vote.  Multiple times, preferably.  Or, at the very least.  Hope for the best.



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Re: Obama's map as it is (2.00 / 1)

Great post and well thougth out.  One comment.  If you are correct, and i think you are, BO could win NH and NV but lose CO and end up with 269 EV.  In some ways i would hate for him to win that way but on the other hand it would be fun watching Hannity and Coulter's heads explode.

david


by giusd on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:18:58 PM EST

Isn't it a little early for this? (2.00 / 1)

Need to see where the polls land post conventions to make these kinds of solid predictions about places like Ohio and Virginia.


by libertyleft on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:26:22 PM EST

Re: Isn't it a little early for this? (none / 0)

Undoubtedly.  But I've thought for a long time that the structural hurdles in Ohio will make it very difficult for Obama to win there.  Virginia, as I said in the post, seems like a better shot.  But we'll just have to see.

The other important thing is that losing Ohio is not a deal-breaker.


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:28:17 PM EST
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Re. Romney (2.00 / 1)

Romney is NOT a state stealer. The Romney names has no aura beyond his dad, Goerge, who was governor. His brother could not get nominated Attorney General and his ex-sister in law who kept the family name got blitzed by Carl Levin in 1996. Michigan will be tough, but it won't be because of Mittens.


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:33:20 PM EST

Re: Re. Romney (none / 0)

Good to hear.  I agree that Romney would be a long-shot to turn Michigan.  My hunch is that this is all going to come down to Colorado.


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:38:00 PM EST
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Re: Re. Romney (none / 0)

Ridge would scare me and I'm releived by any reporting that he may be out.


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:40:49 PM EST
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Re: Re. Romney (none / 0)

Ridge would be our dream!  Very little help in PA and a turnoff to the real religious righties...

Ridge is definitely McCain's top choice, but his handlers won't let him make that pick, that's for sure...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:48:15 PM EST
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Ridge is out (none / 0)

According to Halpernan, Ridge is out of the running, but they are still calling around askig how folks feel about a pro-choice running mate. Crist, maybe (ohh I hope so).


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:35:05 PM EST

Yeah, no. (2.00 / 1)

Pawlenty isn't a state-stealer.  He got 46% of the vote in the last gubinatorial election, and if he should become the vice president, we would be stuck with Governor Carol Molnou, who doesn't have a college education and ran our Department of Transportation into the ground.

Minnesota is PrObama.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:35:37 PM EST

Re: Yeah, no. (none / 0)

I hope you're right about that.  I always cringe when people make fun of the fact that no one knows who Tim Pawlenty is on the national stage.  That is so far from the point of picking him.  It just matters what people in St. Cloud think.

But the point remains that if McCain was able to flip even one of these states mentioned, it'd be all over.


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:40:13 PM EST
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Re: Yeah, no. (none / 0)

Any reputable site, poll or pundit has the toss ups (as indicated by polls with MOE +2 extra points state the only current swing that is blue is Mich, the rest are all reds that are now purple...The doom and gloom needs some revisions IMHO


by Dog Chains on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:43:20 PM EST
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Re: Yeah, no. (none / 0)

Despite the current polling out of MN (it's the NJ of the Midwest, I think, always teasing), it looks to me like the blue states are extra blue this year. If you might recall in 2004, the red states got redder and a lot of blue states faded. I'm seeing the opposite effect now.


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:43:25 PM EST
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Pawlenty (none / 0)

The major thing Pawlenty brings to the ticket is Republican credibility.  He helps in purple states with fiscal conservatives because of his Taxpayer's League cred.  Minnesotans know his tricks and are unlikely to buy into the guy who let the bridge fall on his watch and increased our taxes several times by calling them "fees."


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:53:56 PM EST
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Re: Pawlenty (none / 0)

The credibility should be as easily destroyed as that bride he allowed to collapse...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:07:50 PM EST
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I don't think he's the guy anyway (none / 0)

Pawlenty, for all his support of the Bush regime, is a bad choice for McCain because he actually has a soul.  It's not much of a soul, but it's something, and I'm not sure he would sell out everything he believes in with the frequency and convincingness that McCain would require.  That's more Coleman's thing.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:31:38 PM EST
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Re: I don't think he's the guy anyway (none / 0)

careful.  the first step to voting Republican is thinking they have souls.

snark


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:11:37 PM EST
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Nah (none / 0)

I'm not sure Democrat Mike Hatch has a soul, and I voted for him.

I'm pretty sure soulfulness is divorced from politics.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:51:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be (2.00 / 2)

Spot on. That's exactly the summation I came up with in June.

I do think though, that a Kaine for VA, or a Bayh for IN, puts either of those in a place better than FL or OH will ever be for Obama, but still, not my bet.

The opportunities for McCain: NH fav, MI nutso with the Dem job there, PA if its Ridge. They exist, but are still not favored.

As is, with the scenario above, IA, NH, and NM appear pretty good. CO is ground zero.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:40:55 PM EST

Re: Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be (2.00 / 1)

I think we need to watch Alaska to the end. I believe there is something going on there beyond the Stevns stink, or you would not have seen Gov Palin endorse Obama's energy plan.


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:52:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be (none / 0)

What?  Do you follow it there? Palin endorsed Obama saying he was now open to drilling and said he should be open to ANWR as well.

But still, it is an interesting state, and we'll see whether she helps McCain out or not.


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:07:49 PM EST
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Virginia just isn't going to happen. (none / 0)

I grew up in Tidewater, went to H/S in Richmond, college in Williamsburg, most of career in Northern Virginia suburbs. Had a weekend place on the Northern Neck for about 5 years.

So I do know Virginia....and unfortunately, there is just no way Obama can carry it.

People (especially pundits) tend to focus on the DC suburbs, because of the growth there, and the fact that it's close to all things political. Obama should carry Fairfax-Loudoun-Prince William counties, and will get huge landslides in Arlington and city of Alexandria.

But the sleepers are going to be Tidewater (Southeastern Virginia) and the "Fighting Ninth" congressional district in Southwest Virginia. The former is going to get a huge military turnout for McCain, not to mention that the area is incredibly right-wing anyway. And the Southwest is coal country...these people are tired of hearing coal demonized, and will vote much like their neighbors in KY and WVA.


by BJJ Fighter on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:42:39 PM EST
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Re: Virginia just isn't going to happen. (none / 0)

What do you think is the current balance of population in those various areas of Virginia?  In other words, is it possible that landslides in the Fairfax-Prince William-Loudoun area could offset the staunchly conservative other parts of the state?


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:49:11 PM EST
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I think it's possible, but unlikely (2.00 / 1)

One wild card (and huge irony) lies in the fact that the Ninth District was historically the most Democratic area in the state....just think about how WVA used to vote, pre-W. But the coal issue obviously burns deeply there. Though many of these people are poor, they are not ignorant; they care about climate change and are open to clean coal technologies, but just don't feel a lot of love coming from Pelosi and the environmentalists. They've worked hard to keep this country warm and running, and "elitism" means something down there beyond the silly talk about latte's and Volvos.

But to your question, the reason for my pessimism is that the conservative portions of the state have a history of voting big in presidential years, though not as much in off-year elections. And much of what I've read recently gives careful analysis to the 2006 precinct returns, which will in turn lead to misunder-estimating, in W-speak, the downstate areas.

Jim Webb's victory was a great thing, but people should remember: this was a former Reagan cabinet official, winning by 7,000 votes, over a Macacca-shouting idiot....in one of the best Democratic years in memory.

Bottom line: Virginia is becoming "a tale of two states", between North and South. Looking ahead to November, I hope I'm wrong. After all, we were the first state to ever elect an African American governor, when Doug Wilder won the state house.


by BJJ Fighter on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:07:47 PM EST
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Re: Virginia just isn't going to happen. (none / 0)

"is it possible that landslides in the Fairfax-Prince William-Loudoun area could offset the staunchly conservative other parts of the state?"

Unless all those DOD contractors have moved their operations and employees out of the DC area I think a Dem landslide in NVA is a little much to hope for. A win in the area yes! A landslide is unlikely.


by 2maddogs on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:14:42 PM EST
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I like the diary, please correct 1 thing (2.00 / 1)

New Hampshire did not hold out in 2004, it was 2000, Kerry carried NH with much work done by yours truly


by Dog Chains on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:40:56 PM EST

Re: I like the diary, please correct 1 thing (none / 0)

argh.  sorry about that.  are you still in NH?  do you get the sense it is pro-Obama this year?


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:42:44 PM EST
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Re: I like the diary, please correct 1 thing (none / 0)

Not still there but from what I've seen, I think it's going to be the closest state, it's a tough haul as McCain has the strong ties ever since his 2000 campaign. The ground game will be critical. People identify with both pretty favorably


by Dog Chains on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:45:06 PM EST
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Re: I like the diary, please correct 1 thing (none / 0)

Like Florda, Gore would have won NH if not for Nader.


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:44:11 PM EST
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Re: I like the diary, please correct 1 thing (none / 0)

fixed and apologies.


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:45:05 PM EST
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Re Michigan (2.00 / 1)

I no longer live there, but my dad said something very interesting last week. He is not nearly as progrssive as I am, on a lot of ummm issues (ok like race) and voted for Hillary. Now he is saying "I tell you what, I never believed I would for a black, but I am voting for Obama. And you won't believe who all told me the same thing". It's like there is some set of voters (however large or small) who plan to vote for Obama and think they are the only ones in their peer group doing so, until they talk to each other about it. It may be no big deal, but I found it interesting.


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 04:51:25 PM EST

Re: Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be (2.00 / 4)

It's quite simple, really...

1.  Play enough defense to keep Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Oregon, and New Hampshire safely in the fold.  There's 264 of the 270 electoral votes right there.

2.  All-out blitz in Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and Nevada.  Any one of those states would put Obama over the top.  (OK, Nevada alone would only produce a tie.)

3.  Keep the pressure on in Florida, North Carolina, Montana, Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, and perhaps a couple of other small states.  Even if we don't flip any of those states, it'll force McCain to play some defense of his own.

KT


by KTinOhio on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:31:06 PM EST

Re: Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be (none / 0)

Yep.  That's the spirit.  

The only thing I'd add is that OH, VA, and NV could very well go Red this year, but if Obama holds CO, then we're good.  This doesn't change the strategy at all, but my faith in OH or VA to go Blue this year is limited at best for the reasons mentioned above.


by the mollusk on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:53:05 PM EST
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Re: Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be (none / 0)

Nevada will end up red this year.  I know a lot of Las Vegas people (Democrats) that won't vote for Obama.

Maybe he can get Colorado or New Mexico..


by wblynch on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:18:57 PM EST

Re: Obama's map as it is now and ever shall be (none / 0)

 How many people do you know?


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:38:39 PM EST
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