Anyone buying this Edwards rumor?

I made the horrific mistake of reading Mickey Kaus's blog today... caught up on a week of his goat-fuckingly giddy reporting of the National Enquirer's reporting that Edwards visited the former campaign aide who Kaus is certain fathered Edward's bastard child.

I won't link. It's all easy enough to find from the Slate homepage. In Kaus' posts there are links to other so-called columnists and bloggers pushing the tale.

Most of the links are links to other columnists seeing their greatest dreams fulfilled, Clinton references, and complaints that the mainstream media isn't using the unimpeachable Enquirer as source material to launch a thousand scandal articles. Kos noted a few days back taht the MSM similarly didn't go nutso about the Bush/Drinking stories the supermarket tabloids push with regularity. Atrios makes cutting remarks to rumors of Kaus fucking goats -- proof of which is sourced about as well as Kaus' Edwards rumors

But that notwithstanding, I don't know how to guage this story. The recent rumors sound strange, and if true are very suspicious. (Do I sum them up here? Might as well. Basically, they say there are witnesses, journalists, who confronted Edwards when he visited an aide who previous was said to have been pregnant and given birth to a child with another campaign aide. Except it was 2 in the morning, at the Beverly Hilton or something, and when the afore-mentioned journalists confronted Edwards, he ran and hid in a bathroom.)

Kaus' Slate peer Jack Schafer did a piece on the media's ignoring of the story -- again, not mentioning all the other stories that go ignored in the Enquirer, but focusing on Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and a couple other once-in-a-decade cases of the Enquirer getting sex scandals right. A few other columnists have jumped on the bandwagon, but near as I can tell, there's been no coverage by consistantly reputable media.

And its worth noting that pictures from the Beverly Hills hide-out were supposedly promised this weekend, and much to Kaus' consertnation are nowhere to be found.

But I'm curious -- not whether its true, although if anyone has thoughts on that, that's interesting too. Personally, I think we'll know that soon enough. And I hope Edwards' litigational skills are sharp as ever if its not. But my curiosity is for what people here think about it. Kaus and Schafer find conspiracy in the silence, or lament the media's love for "Saint Elizabeth" or comment that the media is waiting to see if Edwards is a pick for veep or something. I'm hoping the silence is good taste among the media.

But I'm not one for ignoring what the Right Wing is peddling. This seems a rare case of restraint by some, and overreach by others. Thoughts?


Poll
Who fathered the baby?
John Edwards
Mickey Kaus
The dude who already claimed to be the father
Aliens
None of our damn business

Votes: 26
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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John Edwards is not an office holder (2.00 / 2)

or candidate.

So, I'm not interested.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:00:45 AM EST

Re: John Edwards is not an office holder (none / 0)

Fair enough. But he was, supposedly, promised a prime-time speaking spot in the convention, and I was hoping both he and Elizabeth would be in the future Obama cabinet (Sec'ys of Labor and HHS respectively.)


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:02:20 AM EST
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I'd assume he won't speak at the (none / 0)

convention unless this is cleared up


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:27:13 AM EST
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No idea - don't really care (2.00 / 2)

These things are between him and his family, anyway.


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:16:26 AM EST

Sources are all anonymous (none / 0)

and un-named - which is weird.

Even the FoxNews "verification" didn't even list the name of a Fox reporter to credit the article (weird number 2)

Weird number 3 is that Young (married with 3 children) took "credit" as being the father.  Who would want there children to think they had an affair just to take the blame?

People forget that the whole original Huffington Post article that started this was about the disappearance of the very cool Webisodes.

My thought and some others is that the Edwards PAC that paid for creating the Webisodes would have been a campaign FEC violation if the PAC was using the webisodes to promote Edwards for President.  (which they really were).

so my opinion is still that the whole story was created because Edwards didn't want to have any impression of skirting campaign finance laws....


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:26:12 AM EST

Delete this diary (none / 0)

Thanks for your concern.

This story doesn't deserve the attention you're giving it, unless you're trying to promote it. I actually dislike John Edwards, but I still think this story is crap.


Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!
by fwiffo3 on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:27:20 AM EST

Re: Delete this diary (none / 0)

Delete it? Why? I don't link to anything, but there's enough chatter about to that I wanted to hear what others though. I think its dangerous to ignore what the Right Wing is blathering about.

I actually LIKE edwards, voted for him in 04, in Wisconsin, which he did well in and, in part, led to his being on the ticket in 04. Again, I hope he and Elizabeth both have Cabinet roles in an Obama administration.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:36:47 AM EST
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Re: Anyone buying this Edwards rumor? (2.00 / 2)

In a way it doesn't matter if it's true or not, because this has effectively ruled him out as VP - coverage of the story would definitely flare up if he were selected and occupy at least a week's worth of airtime.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:28:05 AM EST

The people buying it (none / 0)

are the same people who believed the Larry Sinclair crap and the existance of the mystical whitey tape.

I have more important things to care about and most of us should too.

Frankly on the this matters scale I'd rate a debate on the virtues of cracking the large end of an egg first vs the small end of an egg first...


The guy advising John McCain on the economy thinks you are a whiner.
by Sanguine Giant on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:33:58 AM EST

Re: The people buying it (none / 0)

Large end, unless you're a communist.


by TCQuad on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:50:47 AM EST
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Re: Anyone buying this Edwards rumor? (2.00 / 1)

Is there yet a single photo that the 'reporters' took from the event?


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:55:46 AM EST

Yes. (2.00 / 4)


by TCQuad on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:51:58 AM EST
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Re: Yes. (none / 0)

haha, is that mickey's goat?


by Jerome Armstrong on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 12:52:07 PM EST
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Re: Anyone buying this Edwards rumor? (none / 0)

who knows, I'm just pretty surprised I just heard about it


by Dog Chains on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 10:58:19 AM EST

It's all BS (none / 0)

I haven't even been paying close attention, but even from here, it's clear that this is the same sort of smut peddling that Republicans do every election year to overall discredit Democrats and make us think that we have to dance to their tune.

They would be overjoyed if Edwards somehow lost a convention speaking spot or place on the VP shortlist, because it would prove, for the price of one extremely cheap and specious rumor or faux outrage, they can control us.

Clark, Dodd, Edwards... that's just the tip of the iceberg, I'm betting.  They won't be happy until we're forced to choose between Hillary Clinton and a tunafish sandwich for VP.

My solution? Don't let desperate election year tactics factor into our decisions about our party.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:13:11 AM EST

Re: Anyone buying this Edwards rumor? (none / 0)

Geeze this bullshit came up last fall.
Outside of it involving 2 people involved in his campaign there is no Edwards connection.

Typical Rovian-style crap....
I am more convinced than ever JRE will be the choice...


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:16:33 AM EST

Re: Anyone buying this Edwards rumor? (2.00 / 2)

I just don't care.  I like John Edwards.  I like Elizabeth Edwards even more.  But this is their business, whether it's true or not. Their marriage is none of my business.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:19:28 AM EST

The Edwards photos are real! (none / 0)

They're a feature on the upcoming "Whitey and Me" DVD, directed by L. Whitey Johnson.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:25:34 AM EST

Wait, (none / 0)

so if Edwards is an adulterer, and Edwards endorsed Obama, that makes Obama sympathetic to if not an adulterer outright, right?

Wasn't that how the game was played during the primaries?  ie, William Ayers, Rezko, etc?  Can you believe some actually fell for that game here?

Obama.  Corruption.  Terror.  Adultery.


Ornithological Vaccinations and Aviary Heuristics
by OVAH on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:25:43 AM EST

The answer to your question is a firm NO. (2.00 / 2)

In anycase, I don't care to know about John Edwards personal life. I respect an individual's right to privacy.


by louisprandtl on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:42:24 AM EST

at the risk of (none / 0)

Turning MyDD into a gossip site, I would just say that we should never be surprised that politicians or other people in powerful positions commit adultery. Everyone else is doing it - what makes Mr. Edwards any different?

If it were a movie star caught coming out of a woman's hotel room at 2am, then run hiding into the bathroom for 15 minutes, I think most people would assume there was some hanky panky going on. THat's all.


by highgrade on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:49:24 AM EST

my opinion. (2.00 / 1)

this is a personal matter.

however - my pragmatism tells me that if this is untrue JE needs to deny it NOW.  and that fact that he hasn't does not bode well for his chances as VP.

and i might note that i don't agree with the above - its just that generally people are not sympathetic to politicians who commit adultery on their sick partners.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 12:21:29 PM EST

Re: my opinion. (2.00 / 1)

He has denied it. Vigorously. He denied it when the story appeared in The National Enquirer last fall. It seems a lot of people on here think this is a new story. It's not.

Another man has come forward as the father. The woman has confirmed that the other man is the father. The man that came forward is a married man with children. Why would he smear his own name in an effort to cover up for Edwards?

There's really only one way to put this to rest and that would be to do a paternity test on the child and compare it to the man who the woman claims is the father. Do people really have to submit to this kind of test on the word of the NE?

The NE offers zero proof of their claim. They talk about unnamed sources. Both NE articles I've read about this are typical NE stories. They claim to have emails from a friend of the woman and also claimed, in the original story from last fall, that the woman spoke to them on the phone. Yet they have to admit that the woman wouldn't talk to them about the article. As long as they keep it at the speculative level no one can sue them for slander.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 12:51:37 PM EST
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Re: my opinion. (none / 0)

ah - could you please provide some links?  i was referring to the adultery story in the BH hotel that just was published.  but yeah - if he has denied it - that's great - i hadn't heard.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 01:19:15 PM EST
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Re: my opinion. (2.00 / 1)

It took a little searching to find something from last October. Most of the search results are for the latest portion of this story. When I did find an article about it, I was somewhat shocked to see mydd implicated as the origin for the claims. Does anyone remember seeing this on here?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world /2007/10/12/2007-10-12_john_edwards_deni es_tabloid_charge_of_af.html

The Enquirer did not name the woman or the source of its information. But the Web site MyDD.com, a political "direct democracy" forum, posted a statement from Rielle Hunter, a woman who has made a series of short documentaries about the former North Carolina senator.

"It's completely untrue, ridiculous," Edwards told reporters in Summerton, S.C., after being asked about a National Enquirer story that said he had an affair with a campaign staffer.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 01:44:08 PM EST
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Re: Anyone buying this Edwards rumor? (2.00 / 1)

1. the only thing that we know seems to be true is that he was at the hotel at 2am and hid in the bathroom from reporters. VERY suspect.

2. he was a trial lawyer. if the story was not true, he would have sued the natl. enquirer without hesitation.

3. he's a viable cabinet pick, so yes, this story is valid...see #4.

4. if true, WTF. it makes his campaigning through his wife's illness very immoral. also raises an eyebrow of him not supporting the female candidate who was also cheated on by her husband.


by darwinism on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 01:55:50 PM EST

Re: Anyone buying this Edwards rumor? (none / 0)

Number four being the real reason you want to see him crucified.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:10:04 PM EST
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